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Info-Mac Digest             Mon,  7 Jun 93       Volume 11 : Issue 115

Today's Topics:

      [!] New PowerBooks
      [*] reposting: lisp-for-mac.txt
      $800 Epson Postscript printer -- any good?
      *** New Archive Changes ***
      32-bit addressing (A) (2 msgs)
      32 bit addressing (A)
      A detectives job (Q)
      Alessandro Levi Montalcini? who?
      Apple - Novell cooperation on Intel based OS?
      Apple Express Modem... An update...
      Apple Express Modem Flame (C)
      Apple Prohibted Software (follow-up)
      archie client, a rejoinder (C)
      Backup over Sparc Tape unit (A)
      Centris 610 configuration (A -- Summary)
      changing LaserWriter 8 defaults with MyPageSetup
      Checkbook software (C)
      Choosing colors via the wheel.
      Colors 'n highlighting in prog. code
      Computing in Mexico
      connecting a DeskJet 510 to a Mac
      Connecting from home to campus. PPP & Slip (Q)
      Cyclones and macintalk not out in June for ordinary folk
      DayStar Accelerator for SE
      Does DVIM72-Mac print OzTeX files to Stylewriter II?
      Drag'nDrop upload and/or email?
      Excel FFT's (R)
      Forgotten Folder Settings [C]
      Gzip for macs
      Help with GIF
      Info-Mac Digest V11 #114 (2 msgs)
      laserwriter 8.0
      LaserWriter 8 driver and spooled printers (via PathWorks)
      Lost color desktop patterns.
      LW8 change defaults (A) and other related issues
      LW IIg and Mass 45mB HD (R)
      Manual ARA Connections (A)
      Memory in the Pro 630, and Driver 8.0
      Modems for PowerBooks (A)
      My Computer Forgets Folder Settings (C)
      My Computer Forgets Folder Settings (Q)
      New Lw Drivers Install Probl
      Nisus 3.45L and MS-DOS text files
      OmniPage driver for the Canon CLC 10?
      PageMaker 4.2 and LaserWriter 7.1.2
      PICTs in TeachText (A)
      Powerbook 170 Display Problem - Resolved
      Powerbook AC adapters?
      PowerBook Operation in Japan on 100 vac (50 or 60 Hz) (A)
      Powerbooks 165c -- Anybody love it?
      PPD Files?
      Presentation Software
      Programming
      Re- AppleLink & ZiffNet/Mac
      Removable Drive [Q]
      Response to: "Info-Mac Vol II"
      Return of the missing color desktop patterns.
      Serial Switch
      Slamming Microsoft is so much fun!...
      Super ATM - TEX conflict?
      System 7 Notification (C)
      Tarski and book (R)
      TimesTwo review (R)
      Token Ring + Telnet
      Toshiba 3201 CD-ROM
      Two monitors on one LC III
      Undelivered mail: Delivery problems with your mail
      Vaporware Withdrawal Symptoms
      VideoVision and VideoSpigot
      VM/CMS Function Keys
      White House Letter to the Internet (2 msgs)

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Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1993 18:42:24 PDT
From: The Moderators <[e-mail]>
Subject: [!] New PowerBooks


Apple Extends PowerBook Line with New Color and Entry-Level Models

Cupertino, California--June 7, 1993--Two new models, announced today,
further expand Apple Computer, Inc.'s popular PowerBook series.  The
PowerBook 180c brings active matrix color to the top of the line
while the PowerBook 145B lowers the entry-level price by 25 per cent.
Both computers feature Apple's award-winning all-in-one design
including an integrated track-ball and comfortable palm-rests.
    "Since the introduction of the first PowerBook notebooks in October
1991, Apple has been relentless in extending the range of customer
options," said Randy Battat, vice president of Portable Computing,
"we've brought customers better performance, better screen
technology, color and more aggressive pricing.  With the PowerBook
Duo line we've brought a new concept to market--combining the
mobility of a notebook with the expansion capabilities of a desktop
docking station.
    Added Battat, "With more than $1 billion of sales some might expect
us to take a breather.  But customers continue to expect more from
their notebook computers--they want to be able to buy the PowerBook
that corresponds to their work needs and suits their budget.  By
constantly refining our line we aim to provide just that.  Today
we've hit both those targets by adding color at the top of the line
and bringing the entry-level price down significantly".

PowerBook 180c--Leading-edge color
    With its 256-color active matrix display the PowerBook 180c offers
the highest quality color technology on the notebook market today.
Images are sharply defined and colors are amazingly bright.
Saturated colors stand out strongly. The 180c display also brings the
advantage of  a viewing angle that is noticeably wider than that
offered by earlier-generation screens.  Viewers close to the screen
but not having a direct line of vision can read text and appreciate
graphics.  This will also be a distinct advantage for customers who
wish to give presentations and share information in small groups.
    Another feature particularly appealing to the presenter is the
extended screen resolution.  The new 640 x 480 format adds an extra
80 lines of resolution.  And PowerBook users connecting their
machines to large monitors now have the advantage of video-mirroring
(having the same content displayed simultaneously on both screens)
with assurance of complete parity between the content displayed on
the monitor and the notebook.  In addition dual display mode gives
users the option of displaying one set of data/images on the
PowerBook and a different set on the external display simultaneously.
For example users copying information from one application to another
can view both applications at the same time.  With the color handling
ability of the PowerBook 180c, based on built-in QuickDraw software,
customers can feel confident that colors and images will stay
consistent between applications.
    Powered by a Motorola 68030 processor running at 33MHz, performance
>From the PowerBook 180c is on a par with the PowerBook 180.  The
system ships with all the features standard at the top of the line--
Apple SuperDrive, allowing the user to read floppy disks formatted in
MS-DOS and OS/2 systems in addition to Macintosh computer disks, a
full-size keyboard, video out, sound in and sound out.  And the
PowerBook 180c is the only active matrix color notebook on the market
to offer built-in networking and built-in expansion which allows
users to connects to as many as six external devices, such as
scanners, hard drives and CD-ROM players, at one time.  With average
usage customers can expect 1-2 hours of battery life and can extend
this with Apple's EverWatch battery saver technology.
    The PowerBook 180c will be offered in three configurations 4/80,
4/160 and 4/160 with a built-in PowerBook Express Modem.  The new
4/160 configuration offers more hard disk space a plus for users
taking advantage of the powerful display to work with graphics.  The
180c measures 9.3Dx 11.25W x 2.34H and weighs 7.1 lbs.

PowerBook 145B--Agressive entry-level pricing
    At $1649 SRP (Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price),  the PowerBook
145B hits the market at a very aggressive price yet retains all the
attributes that give PowerBooks their uniqueness. Performance remains
as sharp as on the PowerBook 145  thanks to the same Motorola 68030
processor working at 25MHz.
    "Customers who buy an entry-level machine certainly want value but
are reluctant to make a lot of trade-offs,"  says Dave Rotschild,
product line manager for Apple's Portable Computing division. " With
the 145B Apple engineers created an entry-level model for the award-
winning all-in-one line at a very attractive price yet customers are
not losing any of the performance or features they valued in the 145.
We see this as a great purchase for college students or some of
Apple's current customers planning on buying a second Macintosh"
    In fact, buying a PowerBook 145B today means that the customer
purchases the speed and responsiveness offered by the PowerBook 170
for less than half its price on introduction at the top of the
PowerBook line in October 1991.  All of the features users now
consider standard for PowerBooks are included--full-size keyboard,
integrated trackball, adjustable leg rests and the highly-acclaimed
palm rests.  Weight and dimensions remain the same as on the PowerBook
145 and  all models are equipped with a backlit Supertwist liquid
crystal monochrome display and with Apple SuperDrive floppy drive
that accommodates MS/DOS and OS/2 formats as well as Macintosh.
Sound-in and sound-out ports are also standard and built-in ports
allow users attach peripherals  such as printers, CD-ROM drives and
scanners.  Users can expect 2-3 hours of battery life which can be
extended using Apple's battery saver technology.
    Three key refinements to the current 145 model enabled the portable
computing group bring a more affordable model to market.  One change
is the RAM configuration--the 145B now comes standard with 4MB on the
daughterboard. This allows for easier expansion--up to 8MB.  System
software (system 7.1) is now shipped pre-loaded on the hard disk and
each system comes equipped with back-up and restore programs that
allow the user to  back up either the entire hard disk or simply the
system files. Sound in and out remain standard, but the microphone is
now optional.
    With today's announcement Apple continues to ensure award-winning
PowerBook computers will suit a range of customer needs and budgets.
The all-in-one line now provides a choice of five models--145B, 160,
165c, 180 and 180c.  Offering the best of both worlds are the two
models in PowerBook Duo line--210 and 230--coupled with either a
DuoDock or a MiniDock, they bring their users the mobility of
notebook computing with the advantages of a desktop base.
    Both new models include a rechargeable nickel-cadium battery, AC
adapter, System 7.1 software, training software and complete learning
and reference documentation.  A one-year limited warranty is included
in the price.

Pricing and Distribution
    Both models will be available immediately through authorized Apple
resellers. Pricing and availability may vary worldwide.

PowerBook Configuratons                              U.S SRP

  PowerBook 145B  4MB Hard Disk 40                    $1649
  PowerBook 145B  4MB Hard Disk 80                    $1899
  PowerBook 180c  4MB Hard Disk 80                    $4159
  PowerBook 180c  4MB Hard Disk 160                   $4519
  PowerBook 180c  4MB Hard Disk 160 w/Express Modem   $4769


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Date: Tue, 25 May 1993 20:31:04 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Steve Strassmann)
Subject: [*] reposting: lisp-for-mac.txt

Here's some info for the info-mac archives, specifically
info about development in dynamic languages for the mac...

1) I recently explored around the Information/Development and
Development/Information folders on sumex. To my chagrin, the
entry for lisp I posted has somehow disappeared. I'm enclosing
another copy below in the hopes of correcting that.

2) It seems that MacGambit 2.0 (also described below)
has disappeared. It's available by anonymous ftp from
trex.iro.umontreal.ca - would you be interested in snarfing
it to the info-mac archives?

3) The file smalltalk-for-mac.txt should be updated to
include info about the very cool new smalltalk, SmalltalkAgents.
It's available from Quasar Knowledge Systems, Bethesda, MD
  [e-mail]
  phone [phone]   (800-296-1339 toll-free in the US)
  fax   [phone]

[Archived as /info-mac/dev/info/lisp-for-mac.txt; 15K]

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Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1993 06:32:03 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Eric H Seale)
Subject: $800 Epson Postscript printer -- any good?

A second try at this posting (number 1 got blown away by the net
gremlins):

The latest MacWeek has an ad from a certain mail order company with the
following printer deal...

Epson EPL-7500 Postscript Laser printer
300 dpi, Minolta SP101 engine, LaserWriter NTX emulation
$799

This is the cheapest price I've seen for a postscript laser printer, so the
inevitable question arises:  is the thing any good?

Anyone with experience with this printer (or with another printer with
the Minolta engine), please post or email your perspective (I'll
summarise any email I get on the net).  In particular, how reliable is
it, how good is the output, how much do toner cartridges cost, that sort
of thing...


Thanks in advance,

Eric Seale
[e-mail]

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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 93 13:22:32 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Liam Breck)
Subject: *** New Archive Changes ***

The following changes have been made to the directory structure at the
archive:

  Transmit-Store (tmit) has been renamed to Compress-Translate (cmp)

  A new directory, Print (prn) has been created for printer-related files.

  We have decided to move the files in Unix (unix) to their appropriate
  subject directories (mostly comm/ and cmp/) and eliminate the unix
  directory.

We will continue to tune the new structure as we settle into it.
Please forgive any confusion our reorganization causes while it is in
progress.  We are also developing a written standard for file names
and placement.  This will also improve the consistancy and clarity of
the archive.

Thanx for your support!

Liam Breck
Info-Mac Reorganization Moderator

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Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1993 13:03:08 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Tony Huang)
Subject: 32-bit addressing (A)

>Date: Fri, 04 Jun 93 07:11:20 EDT
>From: Pete Tamas <[e-mail]>
>Subject: 32-bit addressing
>
>Last night I wanted to know how much RAM can be accessed with 32-bit
>addressing as well as the related info of how much RAM is accessed
>with each address. Bill Lipa of Info-Mac fame replid:
>
>>2 to the 32nd power, or 4Gb. Each increment addresses the next byte.
>>
>>Bill
>
>Forgive me if I'm being brain-dead, but what sort of addressing was
>used before? Do I remember correctly that 8 megabytes was an
>artificial ceiling (or was that 4 megabytes in the 68000 Macs?)
>Thanks, Pete Tamas

With 32-bit addressing, the Mac can address 4GB. However, only 1GB is
reserved for RAM; the other 3GB is reserved for ROM, NuBus slots, and I/O
addresses.

With 24-bit addressing, the Mac (with 68020 or better) can address 16MB,
but only 8MB (10MB for some Macs) is available for RAM addresses; the rest
is reserved for ROM, Nubus and I/O addresses. With Virtual Memory turned
on, those unused NuBus addresses can be reclaimed for use by the Virtual
Memory Manager.

>One of the interesting things about teaching is that you often question
>what you know or often wish you understood something better. Tonight, I
>was explaining 32-bit addressing. I was asked what type of addressing was
>used prior to that. 8-bit? 24 bit? Then I realized I also did not know
>what the maximum theoretical limit of RAM that can be addressed with 32
>bit addressing nor did I know the closely related fact of how much memory
>is being accessed by each address. If anyone knows, I'm sure we'd all
>find the answers interesting.-Pete Tamas

Prior to the 32-bit addressing scheme, only 24 bits of the 32 bits were
used for addressing; the rest were used for storing the characteristics of
the allocated memory block. If an application manipulates these flag bits
directly it wouldn't be compatible with 32-bit addressing (i.e., it's
32-bit dirty).

Tony Huang
[e-mail]

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Date: Sat, 05 Jun 93 14:28:59 EDT
From: "M. David Greenspon" <[e-mail]>
Subject: 32-bit addressing (A)

On Fri, 04 Jun 93 07:11:20 EDT, Pete Tamas
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>Tonight, I was explaining 32-bit addressing. I was asked what type of
>addressing was used prior to that. 8-bit? 24 bit?

24.  With 8-bit addressing, the processor would only be able to access 256
bytes of memory!  That's probably not even enough to display a "Sad Mac."  :-)

>nor did I know the closely related fact of how much memory is being accessed
>by each address.

One byte.  That's eight bits.  That's enough memory to store a single number
between 0 and 255.

>Do I remember correctly that 8 megabytes [of RAM in 24-bit addressing] was an
>artificial ceiling (or was that 4 megabytes in the 68000 Macs?)

Yes.  (Although some 68000 Macs can take more than four megs of RAM.)  Don't
forget that RAM isn't the only kind of memory!  If you don't leave any space
for ROM, VRAM, memory used by add-on cards, etc., your computer isn't going to
work too well.  There's going to have to be some kind of "artificial"
limitation on RAM no matter what.

>Last night I wanted to know how much RAM can be accessed with 32-bit
>addressing as well as the related info of how much RAM is accessed
>with each address. Bill Lipa of Info-Mac fame replid:
>
>>2 to the 32nd power, or 4Gb.

I didn't see Bill Lipa's original letter; this quote may be taken out of
context.  Again, that's 4 gigs of _total_ memory; I think I've heard that one
GB is the limit for RAM.  (Of course, in practice any Mac available now will
have a smaller limit; my PB160 can supposedly address no more than 14 megs of
RAM, even if you somehow get more in there.)

--David

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Date: 7 Jun 93 09:28:08
From: [e-mail] (Thomas A. Russ)
Subject: 32 bit addressing (A)

I'll try to do my best with this explanation.  Some of the details are
still a bit foggy.

The Macintosh has always used a byte-address scheme.  That means that
each address corresponds to a single byte in RAM.

With 32 bits, you get 2^32 = 4 Gigabytes of addressable space.

With 24 bits, you get 2^24 = 16 Megabytes of addressable space.

Now, why is there an 8 Megabyte limit for Macs with 24 bit addresses?
This is a consequence of other operating system design issues.  The
Mac mapped the ROM code to part of the address space, and Serial I/O
space was mapped into parts of memory right above 8 MB.  The reason
for this is that the leading address bit can then be easily used to
determine if real RAM or some other memory is being addressed.  The
remaining 6MB of RAM were located above the ROM and I/O space.

This 6MB was used by the MacII series for NuBus slots.  Each slot got
1 MB of addressable space.  Conveniently, no Mac has more than 6
slots.

Some third party software (such as Virtual by Connectix) was able to
let you access up to 14MB (minus one per NuBus card) of RAM in 24-bit
mode -- But, the largest single chunk was 8MB, because of the hole
created by the ROM and I/O space.


--

Thomas A. Russ                                             [e-mail]
USC/ISI, 4676 Admiralty Way, Marina del Rey, CA 90292      [phone]

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Date: Sun,  6 Jun 93 15:40 +0200
From: [e-mail]
Subject: A detectives job (Q)

Hi Netters

Someone is Misusing our MACs when there is no staff  8-(
Our policy is to leave the lab open all the time (for users with a magnetic
door-opening card, mostly students). Someone misuses that freedom.
Is there a way to TRACE what has been done?
First I want to know what software was used at the "irregular" hours.
Then I want to know what was typed in. I suspect usage of Word Processors
for "private" purpose. The solution may be "TrapWare" to log all activity
on a specific MAC to a hidden file.
Is there such a "creature"?
This can be an idea for a programmer looking for a project 8-]

Please answer me directly.
TIA  === (ADVthanksANCE)

Ilan

E-mail: [e-mail]

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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1993 10:39:27 +0100
From: [e-mail] (Michel Eytan, LILoL)
Subject: Alessandro Levi Montalcini? who?

>
>Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1993 7:54:35 -0700 (PDT)
>From: [e-mail]
>Subject: Alessandro Levi Montalcini? who?
>
[...]

>Just curious.  Also, is there a better way to reply to a message in the
digest
>other than replying to the post and deleting all the extrenious articles?
>This
>takes awhile sometimes.
>
>Carl B. Constantine
>[e-mail]
>[e-mail]

If you have Eudora 1.3.1 (and I urge everyone to update to this version),
select (highlight) the text you want to reply to, then do a shift-clover-R.
This will give you a new window which contains *only* the article you want
to respond to -- that' what I done to get the above quoted stuff, without
the deletion of course.

--
[e-mail]

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Date: 5 Jun 1993 21:34:02 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Georg Schwarz)
Subject: Apple - Novell cooperation on Intel based OS?

I found the following short article on p. 9 of the June edition of the German
computer magazine CHIP:

(translated from German)

"Apple wants to develop Software for Intel CPU based PCs. Together with
Novell, Apple plans to merge its Macintosh operating system with Novell's
DR DOS. The aim of the cooperation is to break up Microsoft's quasi-monopoly
on operation system software for PCs with Intel CPU."

Any comments (besides my translation skills being quite weak)? Is this
just rubbish?


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Date: Mon,  7 Jun 1993 11:48:18 +0100
From: Elliot Bennett <[e-mail]>
Subject: Apple Express Modem... An update...

Well, as you may (or may not) remember, I was having SERIOUS problems with my
Express Modem (EM) here in Germany.  After struggling with it for quite some
time, most of my problems were solved by down-loading the latest software from
the Apple ftp site (ftp.apple.com: dts/mac/sys.soft/netcomm/).  The last
problem was the inability of my EM to dial out of our local telephone exchange
(it didn't recognize our exchange's dial tone as a dial tone).

The solution was provided to me a few days later by the technical hotline of
Apple Germany.  It seems I need the latest GERMAN version of the EM software.
In the German version, if you have a comma (,) in the Prefix field, the modem
doesn't wait to look for a recognized dial tone and just dials.  Apparently
the French missed adding this feature when they wrote the software.  The bad
news is that there's not (yet) an English version of the EM software which
will do this AND if anyone else from around the world travels here and needs
to "dial out" of a local exchange, they're out of luck (btw, the rep I talked
to admitted that this was sadly true and that hopefully this would be fixed in
the next general release).  What was also interesting was the fact that the
folks at Apple Germany had to rewrite the software to add this feature.  Why
Apple cannot better coordinate their software production is beyond me...

Anyway, I just thought you'd all like to know...

Elliot Bennett
DLR, Cologne, Germany
[e-mail]

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Date: Mon,  7 Jun 1993 14:39:56 +0100
From: Elliot Bennett <[e-mail]>
Subject: Apple Express Modem Flame (C)

[e-mail] (Charlie Mingo) commented on my recent post:

>> But my big problem in all this is that my EM still only works
>> at home. That's because at ... work we have an internal telephone
>> system by ...Siemens .... Our Siemens system has a different dial
>> tone internally than the Deutsche Telekom .... Our internal dial tone
goes:

>> beep, beep, beep (pause), beep, beep, beep, (pause)...

>> But the EM doesn't recognize it as a dial tone.

>Of course not: it isn't a dial tone.  Modems are only designed to
>work with the "public switched telephone system" (that's Deutsche
>Telecom in your area).  There are literally tens of thousands of
>products used to handle private line exchanges, and there are many
>different ways each of them can be configured.  How in hell is your
>Express Modem supposed to know that it's hooked up to a Siemens
>PBX, and that the "beep beep beep" is a dial tone, and not (say)
>a busy signal or a ring signal?

>No, the solution is simple: people who use modems within PBX's
>are expected to configure the modem to handle the local
>ideosyncricies of their setup.

Actually, THAT was what I was complaining about.  I REALIZE that there are
hundreds of PBX systems and that I WOULD NEVER presume that any modem
manufacturer make them compatible straight from the factory.  The problem is
that the solution (setting the modem to the right state so it would function
under the conditions I was using it) wasn't possible.  Apple never provided a
way to make those kinds of changes (in fact, they had to rewriting their
software for the German market because of this lack of flexibility).  User
friendliness seems to be inversely proportional to flexibility (at least in
Apple's modem department).

I agree with Charlie that my real complaint is with Deutsche Telekom which has
implemented more stupid ideas (I doubt the average human life is long enough
to write about all of them) than one could possibly imagine.  However, I doubt
the EC will have any influence on this behemoth.  Something tells me they'll
do anything to protect their market and investments (but I'll leave this for
another forum...).

Elliot Bennett
DLR, Cologne, Germany
[e-mail]

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Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1993 16:14:24 +0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Apple Prohibted Software (follow-up)

In article <[e-mail]>, Jon Pugh writes:
>Apparently, the GNU Foundation has declared Apple to be unsupported, and will
>not port or support GNU software on Apple platforms.  This is because Apple
>had a licence clause (I'm not certain if this is still used) stating that
>any derivations of Apple's interface were included under Apple's copyright.

As Kawasaki might say, port is a mulled wine - not something you do with
Macintosh software. That aside, this decision seems a great pity to me as
the ideals of the GNU Software Foundation always struck me as excellent.
This seems to be a case of cutting off your nose (or all Mac owner's noses)
despite your face.

Having read the GNU licence (a file called COPYING which accompanies all
their software) I can see how this clause of Apple's would directly
conflict with what they are trying to do but has there ever been a case of
Apple attempting to restrict distribution of source code for Macintosh
software which was being distributed with the owners permission?

Also it would seem unfortunate that the GNU Foundation have choosen to
effectively abandon Macintosh rather than attempt to either "challenge"
Apple in some way or reach a compromise.

>People will note that there is GNU software available for the Mac, but this
>was done by people not involved with the GNU Foundation and is possible
>simply because the GNU software is available free with source code.  Anyone
>can port it anywhere they please.

This does seem to be the case and I certainly hope it is as I am currently
trying to find the time to port the code for gzip (well the unzipping bits
anyway) to a drag'n'drop utility and would hate to discover that GNU have
imposed some sort of embargo on porting (there is that word again 8-))
their software to the Mac. I doubt this is the case however.

>Thus, the GNU Foundation has not really declared its software to be "Apple
>Prohibited", but it has declined to support Apple, which was the gist of
>the previous message.

Disappointing but I certainly can understand the way they feel. Apple, in
my humble opinion, continue to produce the finest and most innovative
hardware and software in the personal computer market but have started a
serious downward trend in their attitudes towards all levels of the people
who put them where they are today - their staff, developers, dealers and
customers.

Their policies which support this claim have been discussed in this and
other forums (as is right) so I won't waste any more bandwidth by rehashing
old issues.

I am delighted to see that at least some of the original spirit of which
Apple was born is still alive and well inside Apple as demonstrated by the
thoughtful and insightful comments made by Jon in the last few digests.

[My apologies for the length of this post but once I get started on this
topic, I sometimes get out of control! 8-)

Cheers,

Duncan
 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Duncan Lennox, Computer Science, U.C.D., Belfield, Dublin 4, Ireland
[e-mail]

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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1993 10:48:23 +0100
From: [e-mail] (Michel Eytan, LILoL)
Subject: archie client, a rejoinder (C)

>Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1993 13:02:11 -0500
>From: "Paul M. Sheldon" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: archie client, a rejoinder
>
>    Yesterday I saw what I think was called xarchie,an xwindows client.
>as Adam Engst wished:
>>...combined the features of archie and Fetch...
>>search via archie, and then double click on the file to retrieve it.
>    Wow!

You can get the same effect (mebbe a few more clicks/keys) on a Mac with
TurboGopher/Gopher App, both free.

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 5 Jun 93 21:55:11 -0400
From: Dave Bachmann <[e-mail]>
Subject: Backup over Sparc Tape unit (A)

I have had good luck using the FTP server init from the Versaterm folk.  It
has support for doing full or incremental backups.  You just run a script on
the Sun with the tape drive, and the script FTPs in to the mac and pulls over
the files you want and then you can tar those off to tape or whatever.
Someone may have hacked up a way to go directly to tape as well.

dave

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 7 Jun 93 14:57:13 +0200
From: Martin Jourdan <[e-mail]>
Subject: Centris 610 configuration (A -- Summary)

Some time ago I posted a request for information on the configuration
for the Centris 610.  I received a dozen answers, which I individually
acknowledged.  Here is a summary.

   1. Ethernet: the report "macfacts-ii.txt" states that the 610, like
   the 650, has ``(O)ptional [Ethernet] at time of purchase''.
   1.1. Is this option in the form of a NuBus/PDS card which would use
   the only expansion slot, or is it an add-on to the motherboard?

If you order the Ethernet option at time of purchase, it comes in the
form of extra chips soldered on the motherboard, which leaves the
expansion slot free.  Quoting Kyle Barger: ``the ethernet and
non-ethernet 610s have different part numbers on the Apple service
catalog''.

You can add Ethernet to a non-native-Ethernet 610 with a NuBus or PDS
card.  Two remarks:
1. You need to buy Apple's adapter before plugging a NuBus card.
2. Only short NuBus cards (7'') fit in the 610.

   1.2. In the latter case, would I have to buy an additional (external)
   adapter such as Apple or Asante' FriendlyNet to connect it to our AUI
   (thick) network?

Yes, you need an external transceiver such as Apple or Asante'
FriendlyNet.  There are three models depending on which kind of
cabling you have (thick/AUI, thin/coax, 10BaseT).

   2. Memory:
   2.1 You can order 8-Mb 610 configs.  Do they come with 4 Mb on the
   motherboard plus one 4-Mb 72-pin SIMM (using up one of the two memory
   slots) or with 8 Mb on the motherboard?

I got contradictory answers here, so I don't know for sure.  The
following by Harold Herchen is the one which makes most sense to me:
``4 and 4, so it uses up one of the two slots.  That's why it is 68
Meg RAM max capacity.  (68 = 4 + 2*32).''  Indeed, I never saw any
indication that some 610's could have 72 Mb, which would be the case
if they had 8 Mb on the motherboard.

I have *seen* a brand-new 8-Mb Centris 610 which had 4+4, I have yet
to see an 8+0 one.

   2.2. Are these 72-pin SIMMs the same as those used on Sun SPARCstation
   IPX?  If so, does the Centris circuitry make use of the parity bit
   (the Sun does, of course)?  If so, what's the behaviour of the system
   in case a parity error occurs?

The 72-pin SIMMs are supposed to be the ``industry standard'' ones,
but I had no definite answers here, too (although there's a trend to
say yes).  Nobody could tell me anything about parity.

   3. CPU/FPU: the 610 comes with a 68LC040 with no FPU, which can be
   easily replaced by a full-fledged 68040 with FPU (the processor is
   socketed).
   3.1. Will this replacement void the warranty?

Yes.  There are rumors that Apple will offer a full-68040 upgrade in
October.  And if you don't plan to change the clock speed (20 MHz) you
don't need a heat sink.

   3.2. Is the absence of FPU transparent (except for speed, of course)
   to *all* programs which could make use of it?  I know that certain
   applications (e.g. eXodus) come in two versions, one for FPU-less Macs
   and one for Macs with FPU.  Which one should I use on a 68LC040-based
   610?

The absence of FPU is not transparent, i.e. you have to use the
non-FPU version of the applications which offer the choice.

Other remarks:
1. Some people mentioned the existence of software FPU simulators,
e.g. ``SoftwareFPU'' available in the Info-Mac archives.  Good if you
have to run software which really requires an FPU.  A bit fragile,
though (crashes the Centris ``quite a bit'', according to Harold
Herchen).
2. My secretary probably does not need an FPU... :-)

I hope this helps.

Martin Jourdan <[e-mail]>, INRIA, Rocquencourt, France.
    Phone [phone], fax [phone]
#include <std_disclaimer.h>

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1993 20:00:50 +1000
From: [e-mail] (Danny Thomas)
Subject: changing LaserWriter 8 defaults with MyPageSetup

in issue #114 Geert Jan Rademaker ([e-mail]) writes
> I just picked up the new LaserWriter 8.0 driver. There is only one
> problem: how to tell it to default print A4 size. The old way was to
> use myPageSetup 1.3, but it does not work anymore.
> I would appreciate any help in this.
this is an important issue for people outside the US of A*. Hopefully the
"new print architecture" Apple have been talking about for the past four
years will include the ability to set defaults. Anyway I _seem_ to have had
more success with MyPageSetup than Geert had, though I did follow the
suggestions contained in Don Markuson's documentation for his patches to
the older LaserWriter drivers. This is a *really* useful document (as were
the patches) which I think many people would benefit from. Anyway the
relevant part is on page 18 which describes how to flush the default
settings cached by the Chooser; basically you remove all LaserWriter
drivers from the Extensions folder, open Chooser and confirm that none
appear (though you might have StyleWriter for instance). Then move LW8 into
it and select it as the current printer and run MyPageSetup. I also went to
the trouble of reflushing the Chooser, by taking the new-LW8 outside
Extensions, opened Chooser, closed it, moved new-LW8 back in and selected
it in the Chooser. Harumph.... there should be a better way.

NB some applications such as Word and ResEdit (and Eudora 1.3.1?) cache
their own copy of the PageSetup defaults, and the suggested approach is to
select a non-LaserWriter driver such as the StyleWriter (you don't need one
connected), open the application and select PageSetup. OK it and select the
LW8 driver in Chooser, open the app again and go through PageSetup again.
Tedious yes... but it seems to have worked for me.

Out of interest I ran ResCompare against the original and modified drivers;
differences were in cInf -4096, FOPT 1, PAPA -8192, PREC 0, and STR -8181.
The only defaults I changed were to A4 paper, and to generate a
comprehensive printed report on errors.

I also tried modifying the PPD file for our printer, but it seems the LW8
does not look at the Default feature lines. eg from IIf v2010.113:
*OpenUI *PageSize: PickOne
*OrderDependency: 30 AnySetup *PageSize
*DefaultPageSize: A4
          ^^  was "Unknown"
didn't have any effect and I could put rubbish here without LW8
complaining. I did find it possible to change the page sizes displayed in
the popup menu, but it seemed these were ordered in the ImageableArea
feature.

In a few days I'll post some comments on the LW8 drivers including patches
to disable n-up borders ('PS  ' -8184), adding a binding margin to n-up
output, and having several copies present each customized for a different
printer ('STR ' -8185).

cheers,
Danny Thomas <[e-mail]>


Files:
LaserWriter 8.0 from ftp.apple.com /dts/mac/sys.soft/imaging/laserwriter.8.0
MyPageSetup and DMM documentation from info-mac in /util
My system was 7.1 on a Q950.

*and I believe that other holdout against the metric system, Yemen, finally
succumbed leaving the US upholding the imperial system. The libraries are
shut right now, so I'll have to wait to check this out.

PS and thanx to those people (Malcolm J.) who managed to convince Apple
management to make LW8 available by FTP - if only they'd do the same thing
with MacTCP (and actively listen to developer-reported bugs and fix them).

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1993 11:57:27 PDT
From: Kee Nethery <[e-mail]>
Subject: Checkbook software (C)

>I've been hunting around for a dedicated checkbook management
>program for the mac, the PD/SW/FW kind.  If anyone has any
>recommendations, I'd appreciate it.

Don't be a cheapo, buy Quicken. It is wonderful and it is almost free.

[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: 07 Jun 1993 11:44:56 -0600 (CST)
From: "John A." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Choosing colors via the wheel.

I generally use Macintoshes that have 256 colors available. In many
programs, you can choose foreground and background colors, and so on, and
the default system dialog uses the color wheel. However, if I customize the
colors, it is almost impossible to get one of the default 256 colors.

Is there a way to alter the dialog, so that I can choose from the default
256 color set? For example, the wheel could be replaced by the 8x8 grid that
is seen in so many applications.

It is possible to use a program like Canvas to look up the RGB values of the
default color set, but if I change my mind about the color scheme, it is a
pain to look up the new values that I want.

If I switch applications, the color pallete may have to be changed, and the
screen flashes and then redraws with the new pallete. This can be a bit of
an annoyance, and I imagine it also slows things down.

Any help would be appreciated.          John A.

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 5 Jun 93 16:52:49 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Sak Wathanasin)
Subject: Colors 'n highlighting in prog. code

In Info-mac vol 11 no 113, Philip FX Ryan ([e-mail]) writes:

> One thing that I really miss on the Mac is the smart highlighting of
> reserved words, and to a lesser extent, the colours used by the better PC
> programming editors.

Ugh, ugh ugh, but if you insist, there's ObjectMaster from Acius (the
4D people). There's also Think Pascal, but I take it you want something
that works with C.

How drawing attention to the minutiae of a programming language helps
in "a large project" is completely beyond me. My problem in such cases
is working out how the various bits collaborate with each other to
achieve the desired results, not where the curly brackets go.

Sak Wathanasin
Network Analysis Limited
178 Wainbody Ave South, Coventry CV3 6BX, UK

Internet: [e-mail]
uucp:     ...!uknet!nan!sw                       AppleLink: NAN.LTD
Phone: [phone] Mobile:[phone]  Fax: [phone]

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 07 Jun 93 14:29 PDT
From: Lawrence Olliffe                     <[e-mail]>
Subject: Computing in Mexico

Can someone give me information on power sources (voltage, etc.), phone
lines, and any other info that I might need for dialing the US from
Mexico.  Specifically, the system will be a PowerBook 160 with a Global
Village 14.4 modem, using Shiva Dial-In to access our network for file-
sharing.  Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance,

Lawrence Olliffe
The Getty Center for the History of Art and the Humanities
Bitnet Address: egs2g1c@UCLAMVS
Internet Address: [e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 05 Jun 93 15:15:53 ITA
From: maurizio lana <[e-mail]>
Subject: connecting a DeskJet 510 to a Mac

Did anyone already try to connect a DeskJet 510 to a Mac?
I now have a DeskJet 500, hooked to my Mac.
I'd like to upgrade to the 510, but don't know if it is compatible at software
(driver) level with the 500.
Anyone can help me?
Many thanks.
Maurizio

MAURIZIO LANA | E-MAIL: [e-mail] | fax [phone]
CISI - Universita' di Torino - V. S. Ottavio 20 - 10124 Torino Italy

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 5 Jun 93 18:27:49 +0100
From: "J. Rossi" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Connecting from home to campus. PPP & Slip (Q)

Hello,

Being fairly new to the joy of remote computing, there are still lots of
questions I can't find any answer for.

1) PPP & Slip

There seem to be no documentation in the archive on these programs. An ARCHIE
search proved null as well.

- What are the avantages of using one or the other ?
- Would Config PPP and its extension in the comm directory do ?

2) Using eve on Unix through ZTerm

Everything is fine when I connect to my account on the campus but for one
thing. If I want to mail someone, I can only use the letters and numbers
on my keyboard. I selected VT100 for the terminal settings with or without
the option destructive backspace, but I still can't use the delete key. It
produces the following symbol: . Would someone know what to do so that
I can se this key ? It would be better than composing off-line, uploading
and sending, specially for short messages.

3) Having used a modem for the first time less than two weeks ago, I am far
>From understanding all Hayes command set. What I'd like is to know how to
configure First Class Client and Telefinder for the Express Modem since they
both don't include settings for this modem.
At the moment I use the standard Hayes 9600 and it works fine, but I would
like to use the full v32 bis capacities of the modem.


With reagrds to SLIP & PPP, I will collect all the answers and produce a text
file for the info/comm directory.

Thanks in advance

Francois Rossi   [e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1993 16:28:00 -0500
From: "Paul M. Sheldon" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Cyclones and macintalk not out in June for ordinary folk

    Apple representative said Cyclone or Mac III out in 15 August 1993.
    Perhaps the June thing I read was about beta Cyclones. Evidentally, the
new macintalk is available on wwwd or wwd cd can't remember name. Whoever had
it speculated it was restricted distribution and archie couldn't find it.
They also speculated that it was requiring the dsp chip (which I think is
wrong
>From what I heard here).

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 06 Jun 93 21:38:22 EDT
From: Allan Hunter <[e-mail]>
Subject: DayStar Accelerator for SE

A recent request I made for info about a 50 MHz accelerator for the
basic SE (not SE/30) resulted in minimal responses.  Probably this was
partly due to the fact that I (did I REALLY?  Yeah, I actually...) kind
of FORGOT TO MENTION THE BRAND NAME of the accelerator about which I
was requesting info...WELL...{

It's a DayStar accelerator, and as of this month, it works on the old-
fashioned stock-68000 SE; the one I'm drooling over is a 50 Mhz accel-
erator which, according to DayStar, is a full-fledged overall accel-
erator despite the word "cache" in the product name (Universal Cache
Card).  It is a 68030 based accelerator which, at 50 MHz, is supposed
to make my little SE sizzle along at speeds faster than IIfx's and in
range of stock Quadras.  A $45 SE adaptor is required, & is now available.

It has its own expansion slot for a single 72-pin SIMMS chip which can
take a 16MB or an 8MB chip.  The guy on the phone said that such chips
(the 8 is what I asked about) are obtainable for around $249 for 8MB.
Price without the co-processor is in the mid-$800's for the 50 MHz.

a)  Who has familiarity with the DayStar for the SE (if anyone)?  Is it
    as nice as it sounds?  Is the price reasonable for what it does?

b)  Does anyone have familiarity with alternatives, or, better yet, is
    anyone in a position of being able to make comparisons?  For in-
    stance, TransWarp SE @ 40 MHz is considerably cheaper (it's from
    Applied Engineering Corp. or AE)--they don't seem to have the same
    strong rep as DayStar and someone has alleged that their acceler-
    ator is not as compatible, or does not fully accelerate matters in
    the same sense, as the DayStar unit.  In other words, is the price
    for the DayStar 50 MHz competitive for what it does at the quality
    and reliability with which it does it?

The hardware files in Info-Mac archives are 1992 vintage and aren't very
useful on the subject.  If it turns out that I'm about to become a pion-
eer, I'll be sure and fill everyone in on the results as soon as I decide
to get it and my wallet decides to cooperate!

-= Allan Hunter {please don't respond to list; reply to my private email}
 <ahunter@sbccvm> bitnet
 <[e-mail]> internet

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1993 12:26:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Capt Bob Canfield)
Subject: Does DVIM72-Mac print OzTeX files to Stylewriter II?

Having just purchased a new Stylewriter II, I looked forward to
being able to print out my TeX files, rather than just using OzTeX
as a previewer. I downloaded PK360.SIT, and tried to use James W.
Walker's DVIM72-Mac version 1.8.3. However, I get the error:

     "dviinit(): PRE doesn't occur first--are you sure this is a DVI
      file?"

when trying to print. This occurred after selecting a .dvi file
created by OzTeX version 1.4.2. Any suggestions?  If I can't get it
to work, I guess I'll have to upgrade to OzTeX version 1.5.

Has anyone out there used DVIM72-Mac with a Stylewriter?

Bob Canfield, Capt, USAF
Assistant Professor of Aerospace Engineering
Air Force Institute of Technology
[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 7 Jun 93 16:25:43 EDT
From: [e-mail] (Steve Portigal)
Subject: Drag'nDrop upload and/or email?

There are a lot of times which I would like to just take a macintosh
file and email it to someone, or to have it uploaded. I'm using
telnet and an ethernet card. To launch a stuffing application to
binhex and then ftp it to my unix account OR to launch fetch
and set it to upload as binhex both are too time consuming for me to
do it as often as I would if I could just find the file and drag it
onto something that would either i) ask me the email address, binhex
it and email it or ii) just upload it to my unix account auto binhexing
it...

Can anyone suggest a way I might make this work for me?

Thanks,

Steve
--
|  Steve Portigal, Dep't of CIS, University of Guelph, Guelph, ON, N1G 2W1   |
|  email: [e-mail]    Phone: [phone] ext 3580  |

------------------------------

Date: 07 Jun 1993 11:01:22 -0600 (CST)
From: "John A." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Excel FFT's (R)

I was unable to mail directly to "[e-mail]", so I am sending
this
to Info-Mac.

>I haven't been able to use it successfully with Excel 4.0 and wonder if
>anyone could give me a little guidance.  When I follow the directions in the
>readme file it's a no-can-do, as indicated by '#name' error messages in each
>of the cells in which the FFT function was entered.

I'm pretty sure that Excel 4.0 already has an FFT function included. You just
have to add it using the add-in manager. Details are in the manuals.

The other reason it may not be working is that the fft is probably an array
function, which you have to enter into an array of cells, using Command-Enter,
not just Enter. Just a guess.

Hope this helps.        John A.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 7 Jun 93  13:40 GMT
From: Big Nose <[e-mail]>
Subject: Forgotten Folder Settings [C]

Thomas Lawrence reports a loss of folder settings at various times on his
PowerBook. I also have experienced this on my SE and my problems are
_always_ related to ResEdit in some way.

For example, if I have ResEdit running and shut down without quitting first,
the Folder settings are trashed roughly 30% of the time when I restart.

Haven't managed to nail it down any closer than that though, and No, I'm
not using ResEdit to tinker with system files or Finder or anything else
like that.

Thomas, do you use ResEdit often? Anyone else got any similar experiences
they'd care to share?

Andy Law

( LAWA @ IAPE.AFRC.AC.UK                       Big Nose in Edinburgh )

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 7 Jun 93 17:11:48 BST
From: [e-mail] (Malcolm Bebb)
Subject: Gzip for macs

Thanks to those who pointed me to this utility.  There presently seems
to be just the one port, available at sumex and mirrors in the tmit or
util directories depending on where you're looking.
You should get the associated "patch" file, which contains some instructions,
because as the author of the port (the porter??) and others say, the user
interface resembles Unix more than Mac.

Gzip is also available at Trinity College in Ireland, but I don't have
the hostid or path to hand - if anyone needs to get it from this site, mail
me.
It is also available at the Imperial College sumex mirror
"puffin.doc.ic.ac.uk".

One author is working on a Mac drag'n'drop version, which sounds good. I'm
sure he'll announce it here when it's ready!

BTW Imperial College uses gzip format for its archive, including Mac, but
will automatically unzip them for you if you prefix your login "password"
with a " + " character.

Malcolm  [e-mail]
    [e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 5 Jun 93 23:15:19 EDT
From: Ziad Akir <[e-mail]>
Subject: Help with GIF

Hi everyone:

This is the first time I am dealing with what so-called GIF form of graphics.
I ftp'ed into one of the archives that has such stuff.  I get into the binary
mode by: ftp>binary... so far so good.. isn't it?
then ftp> get filename

The file is no in my home directory, when I want to process it, what should
I use.  Should I use the same stuff I use to decode and uncompress any other
program (i.e. stuffit expander, stuffit lite, etc..)  .. it does not work
though.  Can you guys tell me the correct proceedure how to deal with these
till I get into the image I want to view.  I got GIFconverter and it keeps
telling me that the file is not a binary or something like that.. any
suggestions please!!!!!!

-Ziad

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1993 15:19:00 -0500 (CDT)
From: D Loker <[e-mail]>
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V11 #114

> Fifth Generation just released CopyDoubler 2.0, and suffice it
to say right now that it's way cool.

Has any one heard if this is going to be a free upgrade for owners of the
CopyDoubler 1.0 that came with AD 2.0. If there is a charge, it would be
nice to here some discusion of the new features that warrant the addtional
$$. Also, Adam did a pretty good job describing CopyDoubler, but he didn't
talk about another time saving feature of CD. One of the biggest benefits
for me is that when I am making a back-up of a folder, on the recently
changed files will be copied. Let me give you an example (for those
unfamliar with CD). Let's say I have a foler with 10mb of files. When I
want to make a quick bk-up, I just make a dup onto another drive. I have
use this system for some time. When CD came out, it got a whole lot
faster. Insted of replacing the entire 10mb as I had preveiously done, CD
does a search to locate any new/updated files and only copies over those
files. This can happen automatically, or it can happen with 1 or 2 levels
of verification.
  I am going to call 5th Generations when I get off, so perhaps I will be
able to answer my own question, but does anyone have it yet?


Drew

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1993 15:19:00 -0500 (CDT)
From: D Loker <[e-mail]>
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V11 #114

> Fifth Generation just released CopyDoubler 2.0, and suffice it
to say right now that it's way cool.

Has any one heard if this is going to be a free upgrade for owners of the
CopyDoubler 1.0 that came with AD 2.0. If there is a charge, it would be
nice to here some discusion of the new features that warrant the addtional
$$. Also, Adam did a pretty good job describing CopyDoubler, but he didn't
talk about another time saving feature of CD. One of the biggest benefits
for me is that when I am making a back-up of a folder, on the recently
changed files will be copied. Let me give you an example (for those
unfamliar with CD). Let's say I have a foler with 10mb of files. When I
want to make a quick bk-up, I just make a dup onto another drive. I have
use this system for some time. When CD came out, it got a whole lot
faster. Insted of replacing the entire 10mb as I had preveiously done, CD
does a search to locate any new/updated files and only copies over those
files. This can happen automatically, or it can happen with 1 or 2 levels
of verification.
  I am going to call 5th Generations when I get off, so perhaps I will be
able to answer my own question, but does anyone have it yet?


Drew

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1993 08:25:51 EDT
From: [e-mail] (PHILLIP MICHAEL WILLIAMS)
Subject: laserwriter 8.0

I just got the LaserWriter 8.0 install disk from ftp.apple.com and I have a
question for all of you.  Dose anyone know if there are any PPDs for non-Apple
laser printers??  I would like some for the HP family, if they are available
please let me know.  Thanks in advance!

Phil Williams

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 5 Jun 93 20:29:11 +0000
From: Mike Brudenell <[e-mail]>
Subject: LaserWriter 8 driver and spooled printers (via PathWorks)

Hi!

I am trying out the LaserWriter 8 driver to a printer with access provided by
DEC's Pathworks software (the printer in question is an HP LaserJet IIsi with
PostScript option driven by a queue on our VAX/VMS mainframe).

The printer shows up quite happily in the Chhoser, and I can use "Print..."
within my document to start it off.  However PrintMonitor complains shortly
afterwards that there is a problem and offers to retry or cancel the job.

I have looked at what PostScript has qarrived in the mainframe's queue and it
looks like PrintMonitor is querying the printer to determine its information,
such as: PostScript version, resolution, fonts, etc..

Needless to say it never gets a reply from the printer as the job is spooled!

I have so far tried the Generic, LaserWriter and HP3si PPD files with
LaserWriter 8.  All have the same effect.  I have also tried making a copy of
the LaserWriter PPD and editing out all the "*?xxx" sections in an attempt to
stop it trying to do the query.  This made no difference (the PostScript file
on
the VAX was *identical* to the one which had the "*?xxx" entries left in, so I
don't know where they came from!!)

Has anyone managed to get LaserWriter 8 to work with a spooled printer?  I
guess
the problem applies not just to PathWorks and VAX/VMS but also to other
spoolers
such as NetWare?

                        Mike B-)

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 7 Jun 93 18:56:32 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Jim Trascapoulos)
Subject: Lost color desktop patterns.

[e-mail] writes:

>Well, after messing around with "Living Desktop", I removed it from my
>system. Foolish me, I used the "de-install" option in the menu. Now
>my machine (a Mac II) will only display black & white desktop patterns.
>That's all that shows in the "general controls" control panel, no
>color options, no color patterns. Any ideas on how to get them back?

>                                 thanks!
>                                 Joel Cunningham

>                                 "Push the button, Frank."

While I've not ever played with this "Living Desktop" programme, it seems
it may have altered your system file or Monitors Cdev. Try replacing the
Monitors Cdev first (this is a longshot) and if that doesn't help,
reinstall the system file from floppies (use the Minimum Install option.)

Good Luck!

Jim

Jim Trascapoulos * [e-mail] * "So, what size id do YOU wear?"
  >>" We Are Barney, You will be Assimilated! Resistance is Futile! "<<

BTW: J
 Joel: "Crow, what do YOU want for Christmas?"
 Crow: "I want to decide who lives and who dies.."

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1993 13:41:02 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Tony Huang)
Subject: LW8 change defaults (A) and other related issues

>Date: Fri, 4 Jun 93 17:09:03 +0100
>From: [e-mail]
>Subject: LW8 change defaults
>
>I just picked up the new LaserWriter 8.0 driver. There is only one
>problem: how to tell it to default print A4 size. The old way was to
>use myPageSetup 1.3, but it does not work anymore.
>I would appreciate any help in this.
>Geert Jan Rademaker
>
>Utrecht University
>Bijvoet Center,Mass Spectrometry
>P.O. Box 80083,3508 TB  Utrecht, The Netherlands
>+31.30.536794; fax:[phone]

It should be much simpler with LW 8.0. Just edit the PPD file (which is a
plain text file). Change the DefaultPageSize (under the Paper Handling
section) to A4 (or whatever you prefer). I haven't tried this myself (I
have no need to and I don't have the time), but it should work. Let me know
if it doesn't work (or if it does work).

If you don't use a PPD file (use Generic instead) because you don't have
the appropriate PPD file, I suggest you get the lateset PPD file for your
printer from Adobe (on ftp.adobe.com). Some PPD files need some
modification to work properly due to a bug in LW 8.0 (Larger Printer Area
option is always checked due to this bug for a number of PPDs). Even some
of Apple's own PPDs that are bundled with the driver are affected by this
bug. BTW, you are required to use a different PPD for each memory
configuration because Apple's PPDs are not well written. With LW 8.0, you
should be able to set the amount of memory the printer has in the
Configuration diglog box (with a properly written PPD).

If I have time and there's enough interest, I may post the solution that I
use to deal with the LW 8.0 bug and other PPD-related issues.

Tony Huang
[e-mail]

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Date: Mon, 7 Jun 93 09:06:21 MET DST
From: Christian F. Buser <[e-mail]>
Subject: LW IIg and Mass 45mB HD (R)

Rhett Glover <[e-mail]> asked:

> I'm trying to make a MASS Microsystems 45mb Removable cartridge drive
> work with a LaserWriter IIg. The LaserWriter Utility (version 7.4.1)
> recognizes the drive, (finds the SCSI device number), but reports that
> the drive cannot be initialized, and that I should check power &
> connections to drive. The LW manual warns that only apple brand drives
> should be used with the LW....HA !!.

Maybe it's the same problem as with Apple's HD SC Setup - this also has a
built-in list of drives "recognized" by Apple, on which it can be used.

I don't know if it is legal, but you could use a formatter other than
Apple's and try if it works. Xante Corporation has one which they ship
with their laser writer upgrade boards. It would be worth the effort to
give them a call and ask if they could send you a copy.
[I spoke to Richard Rasberry at Xante and he was very helpful and finally
solved my problem, but this was with one of their products. Richard is
mainly responsible for their exports, but he might be willing to help even
if you're not an export client].

As far as I remember, the storage device attached to the printer MUST have
SCSI id = 0 (or was it 1 ?).  Try changing the id number.

The other consideration would be if at all a removable storage device can
be used with a laser printer. Maybe the removable requires a different
initialization than an ordinary hard drive, and that this is the reason
why the LW Utility would not work.

Hope this helps. Best regards, Christian.
[e-mail]

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Date: 5 Jun 1993 13:25:18 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Adam Curry)
Subject: Manual ARA Connections (A)

In digest <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] writes:

>> Date: 26 May 1993 14:59:59 GMT
>> From: [e-mail] (John F. Mansfield)
>> Subject: Manual ARA Connections
>>
>> Has anyone found a way around the problem of not being able to do
>> manual connections with Appletalk Remote Access?  Say you have to
>> go through a switchboard to get an outside line, how do you use ARA
>> to call your home modem?

>John,

>I've done this with PC-compatibles, but not with ARA (yet).  At computer
>club meetings when we didn't have a direct phone line, we would use a
>manual cellular modem.  In the dial string, we only put "ATD".  We manually
>dialed the phone number and then told the comm program to dial.  It didn't
>dial anything, just waited for modem connect tones.

>For this to work for you, you will probably need to modify your ARA script
>to not add a phone number to the dial command.  Have the switchboard dial
>the outside line, as soon as the dialing is done and/or you hear ringing
>tell ARA to "connect".  Good luck!

>* Michael Skurka, [e-mail], voice: 210-381-3417
>* University of Texas-Pan American, Edinburg Texas USA
Enter as many commas as nessecary to make your connection, these are 1
second pauses...this will give you enough time to dial the number manually
on the phone, provided it is hooked up to the modem line with a splitter.

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Date: Mon, 7 Jun 93 08:16:15 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Walter R. Pedigo)
Subject: Memory in the Pro 630, and Driver 8.0

Well here is my question...

        I have a Pro 630 with the standard 8MB installed, Now I
picked up the LaserWriter 8.0 driver off of ftp.apple.com. After installation,
I checked the Printer Info in the chooser, which said I had 8MB installed in
the
printer, however only 2.3MB available. Since the book for 8.0 is separate,
can someone tell me why the difference between installed and available?

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 6 Jun 93 07:25:20+080
From: [e-mail] (Stephen Smoliar)
Subject: Modems for PowerBooks (A)

Steven S. Kang asked about good alternatives to Apple's own PowerBook
FAX/modem.  I count myself as a very satisfied customer of the Global
Village PowerPort/Gold.  My dealer was even kind enough to install it
for me.  Also, Global Village is very good about using electronic mail,
which is quite an asset when you are overseas;  and their registration
program is smart enough to recognize that overseas customers have to use
different dialing prefixes!

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Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1993 17:41:25 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Richard Austin)
Subject: My Computer Forgets Folder Settings (C)

>My problem is this:  Occasionally when I restart, a couple of my
>folders will have forgotten their settings.  They'll be back to
>icon view and will resume the default size and position.  This has
>always happened to me under System 7 on my PowerBook 170 and I
>believe it happened on a Mac LC as well.  I want to emphasize that
>this is not caused by crashing my computer; I shut down and restart
>quite normally.

I have observed the same problem on my Mac IIfx under system 7.0.1.  If the
folder setting is forgotten, the folder will open in icon view.  Sometimes,
the window is offset, i.e. it is not centered on the icons.

Richard Austin
[e-mail]

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Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1993 10:49-0400
From: P. T. Withington <[e-mail]>
Subject: My Computer Forgets Folder Settings (Q)

    Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1993 08:45 EDT
    From: [e-mail] (Thomas R Lawrence)

    My problem is this:  Occasionally when I restart, a couple of my
    folders will have forgotten their settings.

[...]

A subtlety of file sharing is that you must be the "owner" of the
enclosing folder to make such changes permanent.  Just having access is
insufficient:  to the non-owner, the folder is essentially "locked" for
position, view changes, etc. even though you have all permissions on.
(I don't believe this is documented anywhere!  Perhaps it is even a
bug.)

(The fact that you mention a desktop and powerbook makes me believe you
might be being bitten by this when sharing between the two.)

My work-around for a similar situation (two family computers, where I
want to be able to change views from either) is to create a group that
both computers are in and make the group the owner of shared folders,
rather than either of the individual computers.

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Date: Mon, 7 Jun 93 11:35:51 CEST
From: Carlo Viviani <[e-mail]>
Subject: New Lw Drivers Install Probl

Dear netters,
I just downloaded the new LW drivers, they are
at
ftp.apple.com/dts/mac/sys.soft/imaging/laserwriter.8.0/lw-8-0-install-image-1440.hqx
When I tried the installation, the files on the diskette were read, copied
on my HD, and then I got the message "decompressing files..."
Then there was the error:
"Install Failed:
unknown error
OSErr=-043"
The install aborted, and the original drivers were restored.
Suggestions, help?
Carlo.
PS: I have a Mac IIci8/160 and a LW NTR. I tried the installation also
with all the extensions off, and it didn't work.
PPS: Answer to mailbox, please! I'll summarize the answers for the benefit
of the netters...

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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1993 17:23:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jonathan Bauer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Nisus 3.45L and MS-DOS text files

I had to edit several dos text files.  For some reason my translator for
WordPerfect did not work.  Just for laughs I copied the dos files from the
(dos) floppy to my hard drive and then tried to open the files using Nisus
3.45.  Much to my surprise and pleasure Nisus opened them, all formatting
intact and I was able to do my work.

I didnUt notice this particular feature documented in the Nisus manual so
I thought I'd pass it along.  Note that I did not do _any_ conversion of
the file.  Simply mounted the dos floppy (using dos mounter) and copied
the file to my drive using the finder and then opened it from Nisus.

Just out of curiosity -- does anyone know why Nisus can do this and
WordPerfect can't?

Jonathan Bauer ([e-mail])

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Date: Mon, 7 Jun 93 07:31:23 +0200
From: [e-mail] (NAME)
Subject: OmniPage driver for the Canon CLC 10?

Forwarding misaddressed mail:

 ---------------------------Original message----------------------------
I bought a Canon CLC 10 which is a combined color scanner, color
printer and color copier. In order to do text scans I bouth OmniPage
Professional. I have not been able to use the program since there
is no driver present for this scanner, and even though I scan as
graphics (TIFF) and then try to convert the file by using OmniPage
on it, I get no results. The Swedish distributors of OmniPage were
not particularly helpful, and the firm that sold me the product is still
trying to figure out what I should do. Anybody out there know if there is
now a driver present for this machine, if it will be forthcoming, or
if I should just forget about OmniPage? Thanks for any help. You can mail
answers directly to me at [e-mail]

Bert Deivert Univ. of Karlstad, Sweden

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1993 19:24:50 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Juan M. Courcoul)
Subject: PageMaker 4.2 and LaserWriter 7.1.2

We've recently started using Pagemaker 4.2 for various page layouts, but are
unable to get the application to print successfully on a LaserWriter IIf.
We are using the standard 7.1.2 driver that comes with System 7.1.

The symptoms are: either the printer resets itself and spits out the standard
startup page or the application states it cannot print due to a Postscript
error.

Has anyone else suffered this annoying problem ? Any ideas ? (BTW, we are
circumventing it by printing to disk and then downloading the file using
LaserStatus, but this is very time consuming)

Thanks in advance for your help.

John Courcoul
Monterrey Tech, Queretaro Campus

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 5 Jun 93 23:34:02 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Pieter Stouten, [phone])
Subject: PICTs in TeachText (A)

In digest volume 11, issue 111 I saw several solutions to the problem of
incorporating PICTs in TeachText documents. To my surprise the obvious
solution was not mentioned. I realize the obvious solution goes by the
unusual name of "Belgian Postcards," but that does not make it less useful.
Just check it out:

-r   167537 Jan 31 1992 ./app/belgian-postcards-20.hqx

Cheers, Pieter Stouten <[e-mail]>.

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 5 Jun 93 22:33:00 PDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Powerbook 170 Display Problem - Resolved

Well it sure is nice to have a backlight working again.  And yes my
friendly apple dealer sure went ot a whole lot of trouble to get it
working again.  The following were replaced, with no effect - the card
with the rheostat on it;  the interconnect board;  the daughter board.
And then finally the whole display (the LCD panel which includes the
backlight element).  Of course that did the trick - and I now have a
new LCD panel and it works better than my original (at least I think
so). Thanks to apple-care there was no charge for all this - and neither the
dealer or
Apple seemed reluctant to replace all this stuff (I almost have a new
computer!).
What do I think?  After listening to all the advice - and watching the
techs replace everything - I'm pretty sure it was just the backlight.
It appears to be just a 'cold-cathode fluorescent light' which is
located on the left side of the screen, just above the 'apple' logo
and running vertically to the top of the screen.  (It's easy to see
just stick your nose up to the screen and look under the display
case).  The backlight costs $90 (Canadian) and is not covered by warranty
- but since my whole display was replaced I received the backlight for
no charge (a wierd world!).  This particular PB170 was one of the
first in Canada (early November 1991) and from responses on the net it
looks like fading backlighting would not be that unusual considering
all the use.  So PB users, take note out there.  In my case I would
have prefered to have a quick fix for $90 than all the repeat visits
to the dealer - even at no cost.  Thanks to all for the advice.

George Ewonus ([e-mail])

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 5 Jun 93 13:39:20 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Arthur Rishi)
Subject: Powerbook AC adapters?

Are there any third-party AC adapters for the Powerbook?
The official Apple one sells for around $60-$70, and I was
wondering if anyone made a less expensive one.

Arthur Rishi

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1993 18:23:51 -0400
From: "Bruce P. Halpern" <[e-mail]>
Subject: PowerBook Operation in Japan on 100 vac (50 or 60 Hz) (A)

 The Apple PowerBook AC Adapter specifies input of AC 110-240V 50/60 Hz. Since
voltage in Japan is 100vac, this has raised some concern for travelers. An
Apple person at their PowerBook support line (1-800-767-2775) told me that the
100vac input available in Japan would cause no problems for the PowerBook.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1993 12:18:49 -500 (EDT)
From: "Russell S. Aminzade: Trinity College of VT" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Powerbooks 165c -- Anybody love it?

The 165c is listed on our Apple Price List (CPP3) as only $8.00 more than
a 160.  Apple tells me this isn't a misprint, and a couple of faculty here
are ready to buy them.

I dunno.  I think the color screen is a gimmick (they might need it down
the road for some things they are doing, but don't now), I don't like the
screen quality (cursor "submarining" is worse than on the other powerbooks
on the color guy), and the battery life is lousy.  Worst of all, I don't
have good vibes about it.  It feels to me like the Mac "Boat Anchor"
portable or the IIGS -- a "nice try" that didn't succeed in the
marketplace.  I wonder if this is why the price is so low?

I'd like to talk them into active-matrix, but a 180 is too expensive.  We
found a few 170s still around (through dealers, actually), though they
have 40 MB drives (we could upgrade).  I'd like to hear from satisfied or
unsatisfied 165c users.

Also, does anyone know if adding RAM ourselves to these puppies will void
the warranty, or how difficult it would be (scarier than snipping the
resistors on an SE?).

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 7 Jun 93 02:37:45 EDT
From: "Visitor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: PPD Files?

Hi, I just installed Laserwriter software 8.0.  I was wondering if anyone
could tell me where I could obtain the PPD file for my printer.  It is an
Okidata
OL830 laser printer.  The driver tells me that it should be named either
"OL830" or "OL83052.5"  Any help would be appreciated (Perhaps someone can
mail me it?)  Thanks a lot.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1993 00:59:16 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Paul Kleeberg)
Subject: Presentation Software

I use Persuasion and both love it and hate it.  To be honest I have read
little of the manual and usually struggle with the program shortly before I
am supposed to present.

I like the ability to construct the presentation on a Mac and then run it on
either a Mac or a DOS PC.  That feature is very valuable to me.  What I would
like that I do not know how to do is to switch in and out of the presentation
without stopping it (or creating another segment that I start after the
interlude) so I can run another program.  As an example, I talk about the
Internet, and would like to do a bit of on-line work in between slides.  Is
there an easy way to do this?  Can I keep the presentation slide on screen
and have it be a background while I do other things?

Please mail to me as I only scan this list.

Paul Kleeberg
[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1993 08:14:09 +0200
From: [e-mail] (Anders Wahlin)
Subject: Programming

Is anyone on this list into programming for Macintosh. In what language?

------------------------------

Date: 5 Jun 1993 14:50:32 U
From: "Sandro Menzel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re- AppleLink & ZiffNet/Mac

Re: AppleLink & ZiffNet/Mac software (C)
> All last week there was a heated discussion re ZiffNet/Mac exclusive
> software. Today I read in the Power Tools section of the Jul93 MacUser
> (p.217) that "AppleLink users can now download MacUser utilities ...."
> How about that?  (No flames, please :-)

This is great except for the fact that the MacUser utilities on AppleLink
have not been updated since they were created in the March/April time
frame.



Sandro Menzel
Systems Engineer
The Computer Store - Seattle
<[e-mail]>

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 6 Jun 93 00:31:44 EDT
From: David Smith (GE) <[e-mail]>
Subject: Removable Drive [Q]

I would like to ask any of you who have a removable drive, Syquest type
or Bernoulli.  What are your experences with it? how has it held up, and
what problems have you had, if any? And do you think it would be viable
as a primary storage device?

I am looking mainly at the new 105 meg Syquest 3.5" drives, since they
are only $100 or so higher than the 88's and have cheaper media costs,
and have spect's in the range of Fixed hard drives (14.5 ms access, and
1.75 megabyte/sec transfer) If anyone has experence with this drive,
PLEASE drop me a line.  Thanks.

-David Smith  <[e-mail]>

------------------------------

Date: 05 Jun 93 14:22:00 EDT
From: Cliff Miller <[e-mail]>
Subject: Response to: "Info-Mac Vol II"

> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 93 08:23:14 CDT
> From: [e-mail] (Mark Vellek)
> Subject: Info-Mac Vol II
>
> Just noticed a weird problem with my Centris 610 and the new Info-Mac
> CD-ROM disk (which is a fantastic resource, I might add): after a system
> crash with one of the shareware programs and a manual restart, with the CD
> still in the drive, my system would NOT start up. At all. Nothing. Just a
> cursor and silence. Eventually had to shut the machine off, do the paper
> clip trick with the CD-ROM drive (and I mean, it needs a big, powerful
> paper clip) and did a startup. After that no problems, but for some reason
> if that disk is in the CD-ROM bay, my machine refuses to start from the
> internal HD.

Well, we've noticed that problem too, and I guess I should have posted
something about it here a couple of days ago but I'm still not quite
sure what makes it do this.  I THINK that the problem may be an
inconsistent desktop file.

If you put the CD-ROM in the drive AFTER starting the drive and the
computer, then there should be no problems.  BUT, what if it crashes
while you have the CD in the drive and you need to restart??  Gee, I'd
hate  to have to ship giant paperclips with every CD-ROM....  Any good
workarounds?  Anybody had similar problems with any other
CD-ROMs?

Please mail any responses to me directly.  I'll summarize solutions or
explanations.

Cliff

BTW, I appreciate the people who have sent me email and posted workarounds for
using the disc with System 6.

------------------------------

Date: Monday, 07 Jun 1993 10:14 CDT
From: Joel Cunningham <[e-mail]>
Subject: Return of the missing color desktop patterns.

I hate it when this happens...

First, TTAWR! (Thanks To All Who Responded). I did not get a chance
to try any of your suggestions, and here is what I did to get the
patterns back.

       To restore color desktop patterns (write this down...)

        1) Cuss.
        2) Select "RESTART" from the "SPECIAL" menu.
        3) Wait for the system to come back up with the
           black & white desktop pattern.
        4) Cuss some more.
        5) Select "RESTART" from the "SPECIAL" menu.
        6) Wait for the system to come back up with the
           black & white desktop pattern.
        7) Cuss some more (use different words).
        8) Select "RESTART" from the "SPECIAL" menu.
        9) Wait for the system to come back up with the
           **COLOR** desktop pattern.

I guess the third time really *IS* a charm!

                  Yours in confusion,
                  Joel Cunningham

                  "Push the button, Frank."

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 6 Jun 93 16:13:01 EDT
From: [e-mail] (Jon Gross)
Subject: Serial Switch

Does anyone know what the latest version of the Serial Switch is?  I though
I saw something in a recent Info-Mac but I can't find it now.

Thanks

Jon

PS pls reply to me directly.  Thnx!

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 7 Jun 93 01:55:34 PDT
From: SnoMan <[e-mail]>
Subject: Slamming Microsoft is so much fun!...

Thought some Mac folks would find this to be of interest.
Todd Winter
[e-mail]


 ------------------------  Forwarded Message Begins  ----------------------
Everyone / Anyone:

Richard Hodges asked that I repost this letter to Byte.  He doubts they
will publish it.  He asks everyone to feel free in reposting this
letter.  It is already on the IBM BBS (404/835-6600) and CIS.

Bert Moshier



                     Richard E. Hodges
                     [e-mail]


BYTE Magazine
One Phoenix Mill Lane
Peterborough, NH 03458
[e-mail]

Editor:

Over the years, I have looked to BYTE for a broader view of computer
technology than one typically finds in periodicals which are devoted to
one specific platform.  Therefore, the present trend of BYTE magazine to
devote itself to Microsoft Windows and related products is
disappointing.  Last year, after I received a Windows Special Edition it
occurred to me that BYTE Magazine was becoming too narrowly focused.
Less than a year later, a second Windows Special Edition arrived.  To a
large extent, these publications appear to be little more than thinly
veiled advertising supplements.

This trend continues with the June 1993 article, "Windows, Windows
Everywhere?"  John Udell appears to be mesmerized by the marketing
mavens at Microsoft.  He states that "The 'Windows everywhere'
strategy... makes a great deal of sense..."  However, one can easily
argue that "Windows Everywhere" is simply a marketing concept.  Its
purpose is to disguise the fact that Microsoft lags behind in 32-bit
systems and object oriented software technology.  Instead, they invested
heavily in 16-bit software:  DOS and Windows.  When more advanced
systems such as OS/2, NeXT, and UnixWare appear, the limitations of
Windows becomes plainly obvious.  So, we are told that the 16-bit
Windows API represents the core of a grand plan for operating systems
which encompass everything from small hand-held devices to
multi-processor super computers.  This is absurd!  In an attempt to
recover from earlier mistakes, Microsoft has created a set of
disconnected and unrelated API functions, patched together on various
incongruous systems, and named them "Win-something" so they appear to
represent a consistent and comprehensive strategy.

If this family of API's is so well-planned and closely related, then why
is Win32s needed?  Ooops!  Forgot that 32-bit API in DOS/Windows!
Ooops!  Forgot that memory management!  Ooops!  Forgot those threads!
Why is Win32c needed?  Ooops!  Forgot that object oriented stuff when we
copied the Mac!  Ooops!  Forgot that drag and drop function!  So,
DOS/Windows is a good multimedia platform?  Ooops!  Forgot that
preemptive multitasking!  So, NT is supposed to be useful as a high end
graphics workstation?  Ooops!  Forgot those graphics APIs in Win32!  So,
NT is supposed to be a great network server?  Ooops!  Forgot those
network protocols!  So, NT is supposed to be a good client workstation?
Ooops!  Forgot downward compatibility!  Ooops!  Forgot hardware cost!

We need a much more critical appraisal of the "Windows Everywhere"
strategy.  In view of the grandiose claims, a careful look at
Microsoft's track record is warranted.  Every new Windows release to
date has been characterized by poor downward compatibility and
questionable reliability.  Until Windows 3.1 the performance was lousy
and it still isn't great.  Udell acknowledges this, but seems determined
to sweep the dirt under the rug.  He states that DOS/Windows 3.1 (for
Workgroups) runs "nicely".  Well, except when, "Windows 3.1 suffers from
one of its unpredictable seizures, I waste time reestablishing my
context and sometimes lose data."  Bill Gates claims that back in 1987
he wanted to target the 386 for OS/2, rather than the "brain dead" 286.
Six years later, the job still isn't done properly (at least not by
Microsoft).  Is this the company that we should trust to be the master
architect of everything from toasters to control of the nuclear arsenal?
What is the credibility of a company with this track record?

I'd like to ask, "John, if you believe your mission is critical, then
how do you judge Windows 3.1 to be acceptable?"  Evidently, he doesn't:
Udell appears anxious to jump to a 486 to run NT.  Is that we should do?
Pour 16 Megs of RAM into a 486 and buy an extra hard disk to hold the
system?  And give up a load of our DOS and Windows programs because they
may not run?  The extravagant NT solution apparently doesn't quite work
even if your software will run.  Udell recommends, "Even if you can run
NT, however, you might opt to trade its stability (which costs you
system overhead) for the speed you could wring out of Windows 3.1
running Win32s applications on the same hardware."  Excuse me?  So,
Windows 3.1 seems fast by comparison?

Udell goes on to say, "The point isn't which one you choose, but simply
that you have a choice."  Some choice!  You either get a system that
doesn't work properly or one that costs a fortune and runs your software
slowly, if at all.  Udell finally concludes that, "Almost no one can
afford to ignore the power and mass appeal of a family of compatible
Windows operating systems."  I disagree.  If you look at ALL your
choices--not just the TWO in the Windows "family"--it is surprisingly
easy to ignore the "appeal" of Windows.

A DIFFERENT EXPLANATION OF "WINDOWS EVERYWHERE"

A review of recent history provides a different interpretation of
"Windows Everywhere" and the alphabet soup of associated API functions.
Microsoft created the 16-bit Windows API as a way to make a fortune
selling a cheap imitation of the Macintosh.  Prior to Windows 3.0, OS/2
was positioned as "the future".  Microsoft promised to develop a full
line of applications software for OS/2 and evangelized the technical
advantages of the system.  Instead, they poured enormous resources into
Windows marketing and Windows applications while providing only token
support for OS/2.  Thus, vendors such as Lotus and WordPerfect were
duped into developing for OS/2 instead of Windows.  Due to poor planning
and the limitations imposed by DOS, the 16-bit Windows API was an
awkward design.  As Steve Ballmer said, "There are a lot of gotchas in
Windows."  Consequently, it was difficult for others to learn to write
Windows applications that work properly.  As a result, Microsoft's
primary competitor's initial Windows products were not only late, they
were generally inferior.

This gave Microsoft a commanding position.  While WordPerfect, Lotus,
Borland and others were struggling to catch up on 16-bit Windows,
Microsoft could continue work on high level functions to support their
next generation of applications software.  These include functions such
as Object Linking and Embedding, Multimedia and pen extensions.
Eventually, competitors would discover how to make Windows programs work
properly.  But, by the time they do so Microsoft would have a new
generation of applications built on more advanced API functions.  So,
the competition always remains a step behind:  Windows is a moving
target.

Several years ago, when they split up with IBM, Microsoft regarded OS/2
as a dead project.  They assumed IBM would not finish OS/2 2.0 quickly,
and in any event OS/2 was of little concern.  There was very little
applications software for OS/2.  IBM wouldn't support the PC-clone
market.  OS/2's true multitasking required more hardware resources than
DOS/Windows, limiting its market to 386-class machines.  Most
importantly, the bureaucratic overhead within IBM made it impossible for
them to adapt to the rapidly changing personal computer software market.

But, IBM gave Microsoft a series of surprises.  First, IBM reorganized
the development process and called in expertise from other divisions.
This sharply accelerated the development effort.  Next, IBM utilized
their work on OfficeVision to create an object oriented shell with
functionality similar to the Macintosh.  To cover the paucity of native
16-bit OS/2 applications, IBM announced that OS/2 would run Windows
programs.  Interestingly, a touch of hubris caused Microsoft to believe
Windows applications could not run efficiently on OS/2.  I still recall
reading Steve Ballmer's statement that running Windows programs under
OS/2 was "impossible" because Microsoft had tried and could not do it.
To stimulate 32-bit applications development, IBM revamped their
Developers Assistance Program and made low cost OS/2 development tools
widely available.

Perhaps the biggest surprise of all was the attitude of the "New IBM".
The "Blue Ninja", Lee Reiswig, appeared from out of nowhere.  Lee put a
friendly, human face on a faceless bureaucracy.  The Blue Ninja became a
focal point for a renewed sense of excitement about OS/2.  IBM sold Blue
Ninja Tee-Shirts and video tapes of Lee demonstrating the latest beta
versions of OS/2.  Lee demonstrated OS/2 on clone computers.  Lee
appeared live on CompuServe.  Other "New IBMers" soon followed suit.
IBM opened a BBS and solicited suggestions for OS/2.  These efforts gave
people a sense that IBM was doing their best to deliver.  A grass roots
effort emerged from OS/2 users who were abandoned by Microsoft and were
angered over Microsoft's arrogance.  OS/2 Bulletin Boards appeared.
OS/2 user groups began popping up.  "Team OS/2" was born.  OS/2 was not
just an upgrade, it was a movement.

These developments left Microsoft with a dilemma.  OS/2 had leapfrogged
Windows technology and exposed the limitations of Microsoft's 16-bit
DOS-based operating systems strategy.  But, Microsoft needed to protect
its investment in 16-bit Windows applications which were being designed
around OLE, extensions such as "Pen Windows", and an ill-conceived
multimedia effort.  In view of the well-publicized problems with
DOS/Windows, Microsoft could not argue the merits of 16-bit DOS-based
technology.  Worse still, a 32-bit Windows equivalent to OS/2 was either
not in development or was years away.  Microsoft had no specific
technology developed to provide a comprehensive object oriented
Graphical User Interface.  What they had was nascent work on OS/2 3.0.

would produce a functional equivalent of OS/2 based on the Windows API
without giving legitimacy to IBM's claims about OS/2.  If "DOS 7/Windows
4" was nothing more than OS/2 2.0, then Independent Software Vendors
could seize the opportunity to gain an advantage over Microsoft by
targeting OS/2 for 32-bit applications.

The solution to this dilemma was "Windows Everywhere".

The key idea of "Window Everywhere" is to get people to believe in "New
Technology".  Talk about the advantages of microkernel technology.  Talk
about security.  Talk about UNICODE.  Talk about symmetric
multiprocessing.  Talk about the technology to run DOS, Windows, OS/2,
Posix, or ANYTHING!  Don't mention the fact that practically nobody has
the hardware to support this system, or that applications software to
utilize these features was years away.  Say anything that distracts
attention from the fact that you are selling an unreliable, inefficient
add-on to a 10 year old, real-mode, non-reentrant, interrupt-driven
program loader.

To lure Independent Software Vendors, "Windows Everywhere" offers a kind
of "magic dust" that will end their cross-platform support problems.
Microsoft claims that Windows programs will run on any computer with
nothing but a simple recompile.  Windows programs will run under Unix
through an emulator.  "Wings" will let you recompile into a native
Macintosh application.  Sounds great!  But, we need to question the
credibility of these sweeping claims.

The hardware independent Windows NT claims are totally unproven.  Even
if the technology works, how many years before the bugs are ironed out?
How efficient is it?  Is this better than using object oriented
languages or development tools which offer cross-platform support?  If
Microsoft believes in "Windows Everywhere" then why did they attempt to
sabotage IBM's efforts to support Windows under OS/2?  Will they try to
do the same thing with Unix?  How is porting Windows programs to the Mac
different from Microsoft's failed efforts to port them to native OS/2
1.x?  Surely, the OS/2 1.x API is much more similar to Window than the
Mac is.

Even if all of these claims are true, Independent Software Vendors must
still aim at a shadowy moving target in "Windows Everywhere".  Should
one build to Win32 when it appears that high level functionality of next
generation applications will ultimately be built on higher level APIs,
rather than low level Win32 APIs.  How does integrate OLE 2.0, "Cairo",
"Chicago", Win32, Win32s, and who knows what next?  This is certainly
not a clear and comprehensive strategy, at least not outside the walls
of Microsoft.

Amazingly, Microsoft gets writers such as John Udell to blindly follow
the promise of an unannounced and apparently undisclosed technology.  To
wit, Udell writes, "Details are sketchy; Microsoft understandably
doesn't want to sabotage NT's moment of glory."  This followed by the
glowing estimate, "My 9-MB 386/25 runs Windows for Workgroups nicely,
and I expect it will handle Chicago just fine also..."  First off, I
seriously doubt details are "sketchy" inside Microsoft Corporation.
Second, how far along is the "Cairo" and "Chicago" technology?  Given
that details are sketchy in 1993, should we believe claims that the
system will ship in 1994?  To deliver in 1994 they need to begin beta
testing almost immediately!  Also, how does Udell know it will run
"nicely" on his particular hardware configuration?  Udell recommends
writing programs to the Win32s APIs.  Given the murky references to
"Cairo", am I to naively believe, "Gee!  Microsoft is making it easier!
Easier to compete with Microsoft!"  Sure.  If you believe that, then the
"s" in Win32s really stands for "sucker".

Udell is correct to remind us of "software developers who were badly
burned by Microsoft's handling of OS/2."  Indeed, that should have been
the theme of his entire article on the "Windows Everywhere" strategy.

SUMMARY

BYTE Magazine owes their readers more responsible reporting of computer
technology than articles such as "Windows, Windows Everywhere?"  Udell
raises important questions about the viability of "Windows Everywhere"
compared to other platforms such as Unix and OS/2.  But, the analysis of
Windows NT and the "Windows Everywhere" strategy is incredibly vacuous.
After two years of hype, we are finally told that Windows NT will
require too much resources and have too little downward compatibility
for a desktop system.  Furthermore, NT's sparse graphics support limits
its value as a graphics workstation, its inability to support multiple
terminals means it can't handle multiple users, and the lack of global
directory services gives pause to question how useful NT is as a network
operating system.  In view of these facts, the obvious question is, "Who
needs NT?"

Remarkably, the credibility of this "Windows Everywhere" strategy was
never seriously questioned.  Microsoft scarcely has a track record on
multitasking systems.  Yet, we are supposed to believe that "version
1.0" of one of the most complex system Microsoft has ever designed will
be a good candidate for a mission critical server.  Udell recommends
Win32s and suggests that Windows 4/DOS 7 is "Lurking Offstage".  But he
does not say when this may be available.  The latest rumors seem to be
late 1994.  Given Microsoft's practice of missing ship dates by more
than a year, perhaps that means 1995.  It might be more accurate to say
"Chicago" isn't even on its way to the theater.


Regards,

Richard E. Hodges
University of California, Los Angeles


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Date: Sat, 5 Jun 93 3:13:01 EDT
From: J. Warner Soditus <[e-mail]>
Subject: Super ATM - TEX conflict?

Has anyone tried running TEX and Super ATM?  I'm not
sure what version TEX (it was at the lab where I work
and I don't use TEX) but we had a nasty crash that
seemed to be a problem between these two items.
Possible?  It's a MAC IIX running system 7.01

Just wondering...
[e-mail]

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Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1993 14:10:12 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Tony Huang)
Subject: System 7 Notification (C)

>Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1993 11:38:57 -0400
>From: Ed Ver Hoef <[e-mail]>
>Subject: System 7 Notification
>
>Allow me to turn on a small flame regarding this posting -
>
>>Date: Tue, 25 May 1993 00:38:47 EDT
>>From: [e-mail]
>>Subject: [*] Memory Mapper
>
>>This is yet another utility that shows you a map of your RAM.
>>The map is in color, and it shows you graphically where in the
>>memory each used block is, allowing you to spot memory
>>fragmentation.  If Virtual Memory is turned on, it will show
>>which segments are used by the physical RAM and which have
>>been paged to the disk.
>
>>Freeware by R. Fronabarger.
>
>>Darin Takemoto
>>[e-mail]
>
>>[Archived as /info-mac/cfg/memory-mapper.hqx; 28K]
>
>Note that there is no mention of the need for System 7.  However, after
>downloading,
>debinhexing, etc., upon reading the associated Read Me file, thatUs exactly
>what one
>finds.  Please folks, even though itUs quite possible that most people are
>running System 7
>by now, there are still some of us using various flavors of System 6 for
>various reasons.
>(I canUt be the only one, can I?)  Take pity on us and allow us to save time
>and
>bandwidth.  If your submission requires System 7, let us know in your
>submission
>announcement.  It would be much appreciated.
>
>Ed Ver Hoef

Should thoses who unload programs (and who are not authors of those
programs) also make sure the program works with System 5 or even 4 (which
are used by some people)? Typically, these programs are downloaded from a
paid on-line service via a relatively slow connection. So don't ask too
much.

On the other hand, if the author post his/her own shareware program
directly, he/she should provide this information in the description.

Tony Huang
[e-mail]

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Date: Mon, 07 Jun 93 11:53:36 CDT
From: Graeme Forbes <[e-mail]>
Subject: Tarski and book (R)

You can order "Tarski's World" by John Barwise and John Etchemendy
directly from the distributors, Chicago University Press, 11030 South
Langley Avenue, Chicago, Illinois 60628. The software comes with
the book, so you have no choice but to buy both.

I'm sorry, I don't have a phone number or fax number for CUP.

However, Quantum Books take orders on-line and they could get it
for you quite quickly, I think.

Send your order to [e-mail], include you mailing address
and a Visa/MC #. You might want to ask them about shipping options first.
Taiwan might be expensive.

The ISBN number is 0-937073-59-8

Graeme Forbes

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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1993 00:21 MET
From: "E Hoenkamp, NICI" <[e-mail]>
Subject: TimesTwo review (R)

The June issue of MacUser has a one page review on page 57. Edward.

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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 93 08:56:13 PDT
From: [e-mail] (Jamie Sonsini)
Subject: Token Ring + Telnet

Lee - Yes, you do need a "special" driver to use IP on token ring.  I
believe the driver is called "O'tool token ring extension" (or something like
that).  The Mac in my office is connected to a token ring network and I am
able to use everything I need from the TCP/IP world (Telnet, Fetch, Gopher,
Tn3270, etc) with no problems.

HOWEVER - Installing all of this the first time was VERY trying. I'm not in
my office, so will have to guess at the exact version numbers, but I
believe you'll need at least MacTCP 1.1, this "special" token ring
extension (it's definitely NOT the token ring AppleTalk driver, it's really
something completely different - the icon looks like the earth with something
sticking out of it) and a new version of TokenTalk (version 2.?).

Even after acquiring all of the pieces I found that you can't actually
install MacTCP unless (it seemed) that everything using the network was
turned off - that is, I had to be running AppleTalk on the localtalk port
(and not the token ring port), I couldn't be running the token ring SNA
access software, etc.  It's like the system has to be "brain dead" when all
of this TCP/IP stuff is actually installed and configured, then after
rebooting you can return to normal.  It seemed that after configuring
and quiting MacTCP Admin if I got a "warning" that I'd need to reboot for
these changes to take effect - then I was probably OK. If, on the other
hand, I went through everything and configured MacTCP Admin and was not
"warned" about needing to reboot - I hadn't really installed it yet.

I know this is kind of confusing, I'm sorry for that, but it sure seemed
confusing to me too!  Anyway, if all of this is too hard to follow, you're
welcome to call me [phone].  I'll give you the version numbers on
what I'm using.

Good luck,
                    Jamie Sonsini
                    UC Santa Barbara

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Date: Mon, 7 Jun 93 13:25:48 PST
From: Dave Leiner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Toshiba 3201 CD-ROM

A while back, I mentioned that both CD-Technology and Toshiba absolutely
insisted that the CD-ROM PortaDrive that was based on the Toshiba 3201
mechanism would never be able to read even single-session Photo CD format.
Well, I finally tried CD-ROM Toolkit from FWB and it reads Photo CDs fine
(single-session only of course). Thank you, FWB.

I am very dissatisfied with the response from CD-Technology and Toshiba, and
their unwillingness to make any effort to investigate solutions to support
their current user base.

--Dave

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Date: Mon, 07 Jun 93 16:34:03 CDT
From: Reverend John <[e-mail]>
Subject: Two monitors on one LC III

Sometime in the next few months I plan to buy a two-page grayscale
monitor, as most of my DTP work is B&W/grayscale. But we do occasional
color work, so I'd like to keep my Apple 13" monitor.

I know I can have both monitors hooked up at once. My question is, how?

I assume it's a matter of having the right video card or something. When
I start shopping for a 2-page grayscale monitor, what kind of video card
do I need to find for my LC III? Are such cards NuBus only (and hence
I'm out of luck)?

Thanks!

John Tynes
Pagan Publishing

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Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1993 14:01:17 -0500
From: The Post Office <[e-mail]>
Subject: Undelivered mail: Delivery problems with your mail

   Forgive the confusing subject line, but I felt it might be of more general
net interest than my working hypothesis that I tried to send privately.
 ---------  Original Message  ----------
rcvdfrom UTDALLAS.BITNET
with BLIMP
>From LZCB@UTDALLAS
fullname Paul Sheldon
to [e-mail]
Date:         Fri, 04 Jun 93 14:11:33 CDT
From:         "Paul M. Sheldon" <LZCB@UTDALLAS>
Subject:      Sticking Powerbook Keys
To:           Robert Pierce <[e-mail]>

    I don't have a powerbook, so this is an assumption that all keys on
computers are the same sort. Evidence is TRS80 and mac plus have same key.
    Your caution was somewhat warranted. There is a tiny stem in the center so
a key looks like a mushroom or umbrella. I imagine pulling a key from the side
that stem could break, but it didn't break the first time I found this out.
I have bent a heavy paper clip in order to make an extractor for keys.
It looks like a deformed man's legs. Short legs up to knees squatting, long
legs straight down to find feet pointing straight ahead.
    You place the paper clip tong straddling the key and press the feet
together and pull. In this fashion, you afford no leverage to break the stem.
    Next, take a pen and unscrew it to make a jet blower of one half.
Depress stem and blow in exposed space to try to clean contact with air from
your lungs (your tech may say you should buy a can of clean air, but heck
there is already soda down there,so experiment!). If that doesn't work,
try spitting in the pen and blowing and then graduate to more expensive
solutions if you need to.
    Do not, as I did once, try high voltage to clean the contacts! There is
a proprietary intel chip in at least mac plus keyboard that translates the
on off bit pattern of the keys into time multiplexed bits going down four
 wires
(or much less than number of keys). You can zap that and you can't get it
without a new keyboard. Remember there is no easy way to learn some lessons!

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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 93 15:37:18 PDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Vaporware Withdrawal Symptoms

'Struth ... I miss Murph's monthly glimpse into the hardware/software
future.  So I have three questions -- the first two probably of interest
to all Infomac readers:

1.  The last TidBITS mentioned some price "tinkering" by Apple on
models that (I assume) are on their way out, or are not selling well.
But does anyone have _reliable_ information on whether the "Cyclone"
is still going to be announced this month?  And if so, what are the
implications for Quadra 800/Centris 650 prices?  The April price
adjustment in Canada actually saw some small _increases_ on the higher
end CPUs.

2.  There have been some comments on the net in the last few days
about upgrade paths to the PowerPC.  Again, does anyone have the scoop
on which present models, if any, will be upgradable?

3.  Of narrower interest, can any Canadian subscribers comment pro or
con on a Montreal mail-order house called "Macboutique"?

Thanks/merci.

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Date: 07 Jun 1993 13:17:59 -0500 (EST)
From: "Mark Nutter, Apple Support" <[e-mail]>
Subject: VideoVision and VideoSpigot

If you buy a Radius VideoVision package, is there any point in getting
VideoSpigot too, i.e. does VideoSpigot do anything that VideoVision doesn't?
My impression is that if you get a VideoVision and Adobe Premiere, there
wouldn't be any point in buying a VideoSpigot too.  Can anyone confirm this
for
me?

Please reply directly to me via Email and I will summarize if people are
interested.  Thanks.;

Mark Nutter
[e-mail]

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Date: 07 Jun 93 07:26:17 PDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: VM/CMS Function Keys

From: Mark E. Fetler <[e-mail]>

Help! I'm trying to dial in to a VM/CMS mainframe from home.
The VT102 emulation I have only provides function keys for
pf1 - pf4.  But I need pf1 - pf12. I'd like to use Quickeys
to map the necessary key combinations on my extended keyboard
into pf1 - pf12. Can someone please tell me what the
key combinations are? Without them I can't page up, page down,
or even move from screen to screen. If this is a FAQ, please
direct me. Thanks.

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Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1993 08:39:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Karl <[e-mail]>
Subject: White House Letter to the Internet

On Fri, 4 Jun 1993 23:57:52 -0500 (CDT), Anthony F. Gaudiano II"
<[e-mail]> forwarded the White House Letter to the Internet.
Does Anthony or anyone else on Info-Mac know the White House's internet
address?

(I have thoughts to share with Bill Clinton re: the recent nomination and
withdrawal. Perhaps many other reading Info-Mac would consider sharing
their thoughts with him also.  An avalanche of messages to him from the
internet community on this and other hot topics may speed the
determination to do more with internet than tabulate the incoming email.)

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Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1993 10:25:17 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Anthony F. Gaudiano II" <[e-mail]>
Subject: White House Letter to the Internet

On Sat, 5 Jun 1993, Karl wrote:

> On Fri, 4 Jun 1993 23:57:52 -0500 (CDT), Anthony F. Gaudiano II"
> <[e-mail]> forwarded the White House Letter to the Internet.
> Does Anthony or anyone else on Info-Mac know the White House's internet
> address?
>
If you checked that Info-Mac a little closer, at the bottom of the letter
are the addresses you want.  I include them here to help anybody else who
may have also missed them.


      President Clinton        Vice President Gore

     [e-mail]      [e-mail]

If these aren't the addresses, don't blame me, I just pass it along, not
create it.

Anthony F. Gaudiano II
SFASU Apple Student Rep.
Applelink: ST0503
Internet: [e-mail]
Tenet: [e-mail]

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Date: Mon, 7 Jun 93 12:53:34 BST
From: Yoram Ney <[e-mail]>

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.digest,connect.audit
Path: yoram
From: [e-mail] (Yoram Ney)
Subject: Phone # of Copestone Swr required
X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this article are those of the author
    alone and may not represent the views of the IBM PC User Group.
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1993 11:53:26 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Sender: [e-mail] (Yoram Ney)

Hi
Anyone knows the non-800 number of Copestone Software of Greely, CO?
(Their 800 is [phone] - the operator couldn't find anything under
their name)

Thanks in advance

Yoram
<[e-mail]>

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